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Michael, there are a lot of options available, most of which you'll know at least by name (Boomerang, Digitech PDS8000, ZVex Lo-Fi Loop Junkie, Akai Headrush, Line6 Dl4). I do own the Dl4 and the Headrush, and have been playing for a short time with a PDS8000. My recommendation: get the DL4. Reasons: This is a superb delay. Delay time is only ~5sec. (in comparison to the PDS8000s 8sec. and the Headrush's 23sec.), BUT: excellent sound quality, true stereo delays, solid stompbox, lots of interesting AND accurately modelled "vintage" delays (I only know the SpaceEcho in its original form, but the guys from the dubreggae combo I used to play in gave me completely flabberghasted looks when I appeared at a show with a small green stombox which - among other things - sounded exactly like their huge SpaceEchos), a chorus, LFO-modulated filter and tube and tape distortion as nice addons, and a 14sec. loop recorder with reverse, stutter and halftempo functionality plus a 800msec. delay), and the option to connect any expression pedal for realtime control. I liked this from day one as a simple looper and cool delay, but just recently found out what it really does and how much I use it when I moved it from my main rig to my live rig (because I thought I could do what I used to do with the DL4 with my lots of other effects, like headrush, FireworX, HR-GP5, Studio4, Vortex, RS3, D2 etc - mistake!). The Headrush is cheaper, sounds worse, has a maximum delay time of ~23sec. in standard delay mode, a stupid overdub logic which halves available loop time, and can emulate a four-head tape echo (max. delay time of 5.6sec) sending out the separate heads to 4 separate outputs, allowing for some real madness...but this is rather a specialized option. The PDS8000 allows for modulated long delays that sound completely honkers. The Boomerang is the only stomplooper for long loops. The ZVEX can't overdub... None of these devices will allow you to make that kind of outstanding music contained on your CD, though... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mpeters@csi.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 16. Juli 2002 19:06 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: cheap looper > > > I finally decided to include my Loopdelay and EDP into my > home studio rack - > which I'd only put on the road for rare _real_ gigs, not for > sessions and > small events where I'd not really make use of them anyway. > For small events, > I'd rather use a cheap floor based looper. Which one should I > buy? It should > be a small and lightweight stomp box, easy to use, and it > wouldn't have to > do more than just long delays. > > = michael peters > = www.mp3.com/veloopity > >