RE: Loop approach: Loop as effect

["Rainer Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>]

Kim,

just to make sure I get this correctly: if the distortion does come (as in
my case) from a FireworX or (what lots of guitarists might prefer) from a
Line6 distortion modeler, the effect turns into an "active" effect in you
vocabulary because then I can use one (or several) pedals to 
realtime-affect
the parameters?

And what about dynamic-sensitive effects? Playing them can be a "constant
musical manipulation" (as in some possibilities with the Vortex or even
weirder processors)?

        Rainer

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
> Sent: Montag, 22. Juli 2002 10:54
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Loop approach: Loop as effect
>
>
> At 12:28 AM 7/22/2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> >Ah, you see I will totally disagree with you there.  When you apply
> >distortion to your guitar, you immediately change things
> like tone and
> >sustain.
>
> yes of course, that's what I said. It changes the way your instrument
> sounds, but it does it passively.
>
> >Minor thirds sound more nasty, notes ring out longer.  Unless you're
> >applying distortion post performance, it's going to (should)
> change the
> >way you play, and therefore can't be thought of as passive.
>
> The key point is it changes the way you play your *guitar*,
> which remains
> the instrument. You are not actively putting your
> hands/feet/lips on the
> distortion pedal itself and playing that. You are playing and
> interacting
> with the guitar, and the distortion pedal just sits there,
> passively. It
> might affect how you play the guitar and how the guitar
> sounds, but that's
> what an effect does. It affects things.
>
> >Many effects devices have lot's of realtime parameter
> options, and can be
> >very similar in nature to rocking your finger on a string to produce
> >vibrato or any other more finger oriented effect.
>
> exactly my point. When you start interacting with the parameters of a
> device to the point where that interaction is a constant musical
> manipulation, in my mind the device has become the
> instrument. It is no
> longer a passive effect. Very few people treat their effects
> processors
> this way. Most just set a patch and play their instrument through it,
> leaving the processor to be passive rather than interactive.
>
> kim
>
>
> >On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 12:00  AM, Kim Flint wrote:
> >
> >>To me an effect is something that just sits there and does
> it's thing
> >>with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb,
> or a chorus
> >>or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such
> things. Sound
> >>goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once
> >>you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your
> >>instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order
> to convert
> >>whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you.
> The effect
> >>simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument
> is interactive,
> >>the effect passive.
> >>
> >> From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and
> left to repeat
> >> indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category.
> When you make
> >> looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to
> >> change the resulting sound according to your musical
> directive, then
> >> looping becomes more of an instrument.
> >>
> >>kim
> >>
> >>At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote:
> >>>what constitutes an "effect"?  ayaya poopoo?  this dialogue lacks
> >>>precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud*
> >>>     I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop
> in some way from
> >>>its original form" or some such gist.
> >>>-Tom the Tonal Transmuter
> >>
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