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I don't consider the EDP manual opaque. You can create some very complex things with an EDP. The manual has to have some degree of depth, right? It's a deep box, but IMHO, 75%->90% of the functionality of most loopers (or devices used as loopers) is covered in the first..say...5 pages? You know - record! overdub! repeat! I'm Robert Fripp/Brian Eno/whoever! Could it be improved? Sure! Most things can. This device is singular in its abilities. I would imagine its pretty difficult to document as a result. I've integrated a lot of the terminology (that didn't really exist prior to my using the EDP) into my vocabulary, but I still get a kick out of the "crazy martian language" post a few weeks back. I agree that a video would probably be helpful from a sales perspective, though. Actually, off list, if anyone would like to let me know which they think are excellent and/or poor manuals and why, I would be interested to receive some feedback. -K -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual > The plain fact is that the EDP manual is easily as opaque as the worst > Roland manual. At least Roland 'engrish' manuals are an entertaining read. http://www.engrish.com I think that the manual has a lot to do with the unit's perception of 'complexity'. It definitely why >I< think it's complicated :> bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Elswit" <rik@well.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Sales would be much enhanced by a well laid out tutorial, > but by far the most effective evangelization would be a 15 minute video > showing what you can do with one. The fact that there isn't one with the > device over 4 years old tells you that Gibson has no clue what they have or > to whom they're selling. > > A 15 minute video on the EDP could do wonders to advance this form. > > Rik >