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Reminds me of the fact that all the musical traditions are passed down from person to person- not from book to person IMO- blues, jazz, Indian, Western even- and that this human exchange is crucial to the development of music- there are of course those seemingly self-sufficient creators who seem to do it all on their own- but is never really the case- FZ, Ravi Shankar, I remember seeing Ishtak Perlman feeling somewhat amazed when he played with a small group which performed Jewish traditionals and attempted to improvise with them as they did- he sucked and basically admitted it was one of the most challenging things he has ever done. I am often confounded by the feeling that I should be entirely creatively self sufficient- eternally inspired to create complete compositions all on my own- and then the band gets together and the collective energy is so awesome it grounds me to the fact that the interaction of musicians is a wonderful thing. Upon closer inspection I see many of my favs worked this way even though it may have appeared different on the outside- Bob Marley, Patti Smith, Devo, Ravi Shankar, etc- there were clearly powerhouse individuals involved but I'm sure the behind the scenes view would reveal a well tempered perspective including a lot of group interaction. Heck- Lennon/Mcartney for damn sake. I remember working on the GOP project (we did it at LoopStock) and really not knowing how to create ambient textures at all with my guitar- I lerned a lot from the other members and carried a tinge of that fact for awhile- and occasionally I am plagued by feeling like a LaFosse rip off looping on the EDP- *see middle section of "Felix's Erection" on my site- but hopefully you use the learned techniques with integrity and all is well with the world. There is always a special feeling when you make discoveries entirely on your own though! Cliff www.om-studios.com > true, but: > a well-produced video manual/tutorial might exhibit *indicators* into >what a > hardcore-user may consider to be all the primary 'pathways'; every last > little thing needn't be exemplified in such a work, just clear pointers >to > the main routes..... > dontcha think?