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Hi loop pioneers-- The EDP fix Hans gives is the best one--finger crossing I mean-- And Hans--the pedals on the PMC are fon-key. That's why I have spent so much money with Harmon--it's worth $65 to have them refurbish 'em. Don't forget to include the hand held programmer . . . (801) 566-8919 is the number in Utah Still no word on Loop IV not being able to put a multiply cycle after insert--it just goes back to the first cycle--not like Loop III. Am I right or what? Your comments are welcome here. Still grateful for these great tools (when they do what I mean to) Gary