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k, >have you done the gain mod listed in the faq? no, but..... i didn't think it necessary? i have new units; they *appear* to have been mf'd after gibson dropped trace. >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 >that makes the output capable of +4dBu levels and the input less >sensitive. >New units should have those resistor values for the last couple years. right: i have new units. both of 'em seem to have low output levels, in relation to my (3) other output signals. maybe they've got the guts'n'brains of older units, but re-done w/gibson faceplates? hmmm..... thankee. best, d / s-c