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hmm, well I guess you probably are also sending the program change commands on the same midi channel the echoplex is set to, and the midi out of your controller is connected to the midi in of the edp. never hurts to check though. are you sure your midi controller is really sending program change messages and not something else? (does it work controlling other devices?) if you have presets saved, when you send program change 1 you see "P 1" on the display, program change 2 is "P 2" etc. Does that happen? kim At 01:23 PM 7/30/2002, you wrote: >have you actually saved presets first, using the preset editor? (described >in the manual). and can you change them from the front panel control? >Yes to both questions above. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com