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damn. if I haven't been inspired for the last few years of my listening experiences, I feel somehow cheated and confused... and yes, that includes fripp and eno, and other such crusties, but also some intelligent and original material made by contemporary artists that incorporates loops on either a performance or production level. perhaps the MASS popularisation of looping music is great for selling looping tools, I don't know, but I don't see what it really has to offer the looping community. Personally, I find that the non-obviousness of some looping often means that "people" don't recognise loop based music even if it is in front of them - they just enjoy the sounds perhaps. loops are already an integral part of music production in so many ways that it seems strange, certainly coming from yourself Kim, to hear lamentation about the non-influential nature of loop based music creation. anyway, respect, and back to lurking for me... -omjn > Good, popular music will inspire people. Bad or strange > music will not. > > kim