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Okay, I was finally able to duplicate this "glitch" issue. It really takes a smooth drone like sound to notice it at all. And like Mark just reported, prerecording a loop with the trim that I suggested, does NOT take care of the problem. Then you can then go ahead and trim that track too, though it starts to get to be a bit of a pain for live use. Interestingly enough, when working with a pure drone like from a synthesizer, I have to tweak the trim a bit more to get it to work well. About .05 seconds from the beginning of the loop (turning the LOOP knob to the right) and -.04 seconds from the end of the loop (turning the TEMPO knob to the left). And STILL, I get a mostly seamless loop which occassionally has a slight glitch on only SOME of the repetitions. (!!!!!) One work around to this is to record your drone in stereo (or bounce it over to a second track) and slip the two tracks out of time with each other. This just puts that glitch in two different places, thus tending to mask each other (as long as you have them panned the same). You could even resample them onto a single track. This has an interesting side effect of adding some slight rhythmic fluctuations to the drone which is great in my book. Lots of imperfections in this baby, start making use of them. People need to know how to work around all these imperfections, and in so doing, create something that might never have been created otherwise. Right now I'm listening to the test drone that I recorded this morning. It's a drone of a perfect fifth, resampled to all four tracks, then pitch shifted T2 down an octave, T3 down a fifth, and T4 up a minor third, all in just intonation. I've slipped each track so that the glitch is happening in four different places and what I've created is a non static drone which holds up to extended listening. Then resampled all four tracks onto one, doubled that onto another track which has been sent down an octave, resampled that again, and then duplicated that onto another track, then slipped them apart again to mess up the subtle rhythms some more and panned them half right and half left. (Confused yet?) The result is quite glorious and only took about 5 minutes to do. This is where the intuitive front panel of the Repeater is such a blessing. At all times, I'm able to keep track of where I've come from and where I want to go next. Again, this is not a very easy work around to do in a live context, though really pretty quick once you get used to working in this mode. If all your live drones can be prerecorded onto one track, then it becomes a moot point. For someone like Stuart, who records live violin on the street, he would have to set up the initial drone, reach over and execute a few button presses and knob twirls (about one second's worth total) and then get back to playing. In my own live looping process, I find that once I get something going, I then have time to go twiddle dials to tweak the sound. Another example of creative use of artifacts is done by setting up a four channel loop or drone as mentioned above, then taking the machine out of overdub mode and erasing short sections from a track. Going back and doing this to all the tracks not only gives you a very interesting rythmical interaction between the tracks, it also introduces artifacts in the attack of the sound when it comes back in. This slight unpredictable nature is one of the things that I enjoy about the Repeater, much in the same way that I enjoy analog synthesis. SVG (Stephen with way too much time on his hands this morning). > --- I thought you could do it by recording a blank loop, trimming it, >then > putting something on it, but I just tried to do that and it did not > work. In fact, I ended up with a hole instead, which seems worse. ------------------ > I don't think that anyone would deny the loop bump thing, it's just hard > to hear in most situations. For someone like you (Stuart), it's more >important. > The only time I notice it is when I'm looking for it, so I wouldn't say > that I'm suffering from it. I didn't even find it when I was beta >testing > OS 1.1, until another beta tester found it and I duplicated the problem. > Mark Sottilaro __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com