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Hi, after a few hours of experimentation last night, and some new learnings!, I have a bit a dilemma that I would like some input in solving. I'm basically using 2 guitar amps. One outputs the guitar signal thru the send into ch 1 of the mixer. The L/R outputs of the mixer are returned to amp 1 (the original signal) and amp 2 (into the amp's return). The effected sound thru amp 2 is great. Amp 1 is the problem. It is a fender twin with a Mix control on the front - mixing amp signal with the effects signal. The more i turn the Mix control, the more the effected signal comes into the amp, but there goes my guitar tone which I want/must preserve. As an experiment, I ran an insert from the guitar's mixer channel into the amp's return and turned up the Mix knob. The guitar tone maintained it's integrity even at a setting of 10 (max) on the Mix knob. So, the mixer insert stays pretty true to the original guitar tone. Now, I wonder how I can get the effected signal into amp 1's return without sacrificing the guitar tone? That's the big problem. I want effects coming thru both amp 1 and amp 2 And my true guitar signal. I'll experiment more today/this evening. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Michael At 10:34 AM 1/1/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Michael, >sorry, but I still can't post it directly to your address, so i make it >public: > >this was the reply couldn't get through... > > >Hi Michael, >> > Hi Luca! Thanks for the great info. I have a question, though. I'm >not >> > sure how to use the inserts to get a signal w/o having a signal going >into >> > the channel of the insert, first. Something has to provide signal to >the >> > insert, yes/no? >the inset you find in these mixers (i'm sure about the allen&heath, don't >know about mackies, but it is a very common feature) is designed to put a >stereo cable in it: the end of this stereo cable is divided into two mono >jacks: one is a "send" and the other one a "return". This is done to allow >you to put a dedicated compressor/eq into each single channel, after its >preamp. >BUT, if you put a mono jack with your signal coming from the preamp and >you >insert it NOT completely, you are using it just as return. In other words, >you are going into that channel strip bypassing its preamp; this is >exactly >what i've been doing for a lot of time and should solve your tone >preserving >needs. > >> > What i want to do is use the guitar amp's pre amp (effects) send, and >go >> > into the mixer while bypassing the mixer preamps. Then, somehow send >signal >> > to various effects after/bypassing the mixer preamp stages. >> > >> > Then, return the mixer outputs into the effects loop returns of two >amps, >> > thus creating a stereo spread. >A very important thing is: you have your "dry" mother signal on channel 1, >then you have different auxes to work on (i choosed allen & heath because >it >is having 6 auxes that can be switched pre/post fader). >Use each aux couple to feed each stereo processor inputs. >BUT, don't put these effects' outputs into the aux returns: their outputs >should go into different channels. >Why ? >Because in this way you can send effects outputs into other effects' >inputs. >This opens up a wide range of possibilities.... did you follow me ? >I know it is sometimes difficult to explane this routings in words, tell >me >if i haven't been clear enough. >Plus, if you run out of auxes,you can start using the groups' sends to act >as semi-auxes. > >Let me know if it works, >my best, >luca > >> > >