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OK! Let's play-- If we are talking feelings of uselessness--and we WERE, anyway--the best way to combat that is to gain control. Straight in this context is intended to mean orderly--and your fascism may vary. Anyone who heard me play in Santa Cruz knows I don't necessarily play "free"--but anyone who was paying attention knows I am not afraid of following my muse--this is true of anyone who bravely faces the moment and loops in the here and now. Secondly and most importantly, with regard to shadows, it should be obvious that YMMV. And of course, lastly, I don't mind playing in an ensemble, but trust makes the difference, and I trust no one better than I trust myself. Wonder if that makes me a fascist . . . I am certainly a MORON. Bye for now--write soon, Gary MIKO replied to my reply: First of all I hate the word "straight" in this context. It verifies your fascism. Unseen forces conspire only to the extent that they refuse to listen or to properly interpret the seen. The problem is that the shadows understand nothing and therefore the shadows by default, though not consciously, do conspire against good will. Lastly, you're still wrong. All music, no matter what form, is better produced through collaboration. to say anything else is to admit to being a MORON. My reply had been: With regard to useless-- Possibly the best thing about looping is control (OR, attempting to gain control). Granted it's hard to keep everything straight--But in a world where gigantic unseen forces conspire against us all (or do they?), it's nice to be able to do a little self contained art and feel good about it-- Is it useless? Not if it makes you feel good . . . Gary > In fact >everything feels useless. Everything except email filters. Good bless 'em. Jeff And so finally, (if you're still reading this), I am probably as filtered as anyone. It feel great to have someone on this list more deserving of filtering. I read all this shit as if it were REEEaly important. It's nice to have a place to let it all hang out--so happy belated birthday, Mr. Kim. G