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I agree- Real One is Satan's spawn- you have to be really determined and patient to root out all the pop ups, auto notify, computer scanning, ultra infiltrating crap they include with it. And I too think it sounds crummy in the end anyways but i was 'forced' to install it yesterday as so many folks use it. I prefer .wma format over all others 9yes I know it is MS product)- sounds the best and I can use WinAmp to play them. Too bad it doesent play on the Mac platform as it is supposed to. It is also interesting to note that WinAmp was bought out by AOL. Isn't AOL linked to Real? They prob own them. Cliff > Why should > they care? > > Unfortunately, lots of sites use the format, thanks to Real's ascent - on > most of OUR backs - to dominance in the codec arena. I don't know why > really, given the awful quality of the results their encoders now >produce.