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Dear Ernie, dear Stuart, no, Stuart, I'm not going to flame you...I just want to second your opinion on the DL4, which I keep enjoying more and more everytime I use it. Quick history of my use of the DL4: I got mine a long time after I did first "lo-fi" looping experiment with the delay algorithms of a SE-50 and a StudioQuad, then a RDS2001 and a fourtrack with an endless cassette tape, and shortly after I got a Headrush. While the Headrush sat on the shelf for some time after I assembled my main rack, I revitalized it when I built together my "live rack" (also to beused for my project "Eclectic Blah", see www.mp3.com/eblah), put it in the main setup and moved the DL4 to the live rack, thinking I could do anything the DL4 did with a combination of Repeater, FireworX and a multitude of other weird effects...BIG MISTAKE! Apart from its looping functions, which are cool for the reverse/half speed option, the stutter function and the additional 800ms delay alone, the different delay algorithms are simply phenomenal. I played in this dub combo where everybody and his/her brother had a Roland SpaceEcho, and those people just were rendered speechless when I came in with a green stompbox which did exactly what their huge space echos did...and more! The "Sweep Echo" is an absolute must, and I also like the (don't remember the name) mod delay with volume swell. Currently, I use it in every session with Eclectic Blah, and discover new variants of possible noises every time. Also listen (if you wish) to my piece "Confidence" on the www.mp3.com/moinlabs: the tune was done without real "instruments", rather, a combination of resonant filters (Electrix FilterFactory), surreal reverbs (Zoom 1201), oscillator cascades (Nord MicroModular) and the forementioned delay algorithms of the DL4 were played as "instruments"... Coda: Stuart is right (of course): I'd start with a DL4 and play A LOT with it. Then, if you really like the looping thing, think about getting an EDP+ (improved version for the ECE market coming soon) or a Repeater second-hand. All the best, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > At the lower end of the market, check out the Line6 DL4 - I have used > it with microphones, and have performed most of my music > using a single > DL4 pedal. It seems to have a good frequency range, and is > noiseless - > especially when run on batteries (30 hours use on a good set of > alkalines)....