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> wow my wife and i have had the same conversation and i seriously looked > at moving to the netherlands. i thought about england, but i think > they are getting more like the us everyday... Our bizarrely presidential prime-minister would like to think we are, but it's still Gary Coleman putting on gloves and shorts to be like Muhammed Ali... :o) We're a way behind at the moment, thank God... Holland's a great place to go... As would be Berlin. Or try Glasgow - now the Scots have got their own parliment, things up there are a darn sight better than where we're heading... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk