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can someone explain to me why we're trashing adrian's "desire" album? i had it on LP, copied it to tape to listen/enjoy it (i never owned a record player in my life). i always thought it was a good album demonstrating what technology was available at the time. i thought it certainly sounded like adrian belew. had all his quirky playing rhythmic sense etc. never thought it was "synth wanking" i can't speak for the allan h "sand"album. i think technology should be viewed as a tool. i certainly like to play w/ reverb and delay, but doubt that any of my stuff will sound like fripp/torn/ frisell/belew in how they use/manipulate those tools. it's like using a hammer to build a house. you could decide to not use a hammer, and could probably do it w/a large rock, but boy, it will probably take you longer, and might not be the most accurate house built on the block, but i bet it will still look "somewhat" like a house. and didn't the belew "desire" album kill his rep w/ the guitar/ quirky pop world anyway? hey, he took a chance. probably marked the death of experimental music on major labels. s--- ps-when you get a new toy, isn't it fun to play with? same w/ a tool-you get it to use it right? pps-can you really wank on a synth? wasn't sure if it's possible? i don't own one, nor could i play one, so i don't know. last qualifier: classically trained in the sense of late 20th century idea of fine (visual) arts (and boy what a mess that is) --