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I just like just pushing the buttons and turning the knobs and stuff whenever I want to see what they do. And in between that it helps a lot to play and listen. Oh ... and then I read the manual whenever I'm wondering about what's in it. Hope this helps, Mike -----Original Message----- From: LedZep2K1@aol.com [mailto:LedZep2K1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: subscribe hey guys, i'm new to this, just got a line 6 DL4 the other day. i'm a pretty good guitar player and musician but i'm still learning to make good loops. any basic tips? i'm looking for a rock type thing like howie day does only more rock and roll based. im into the stones, zeppelin, all that classic rock, if that helps.