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(Good thread, Rick!) Here's one I posted quite some time ago, but I'll repeat it anyway (this being a looping discussion). Place an AM/FM radio next to your EDP and adjust the band and tuning until you are hearing the EDP's internal signals. You can tell this when you frobnicate the EDP's controls (RECORD, OVERDUB, MULTIPLE, etc) and the sounds change. Generally there are lots of radio tunings that will work, all producing different sounds. (Other digital equipment such reverbs/delays/etc work as a source of "noise" too.) Loop the radio into the EDP. Rinse, repeat as necessary. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com