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Well, I'm a 49 year old father of 3 and husband of one woman for 24 years so I guess that means I'm a guilty-as-charged, working class "family guy" in most respects. But I began looping a rather long time ago -- long before kids anyway (my oldest is 17). And, my imagination had been captured by the possibilities of the old tape "echoplex" and loops made on "altered" reel tape decks long before I'd even met my wife in 1976. I'd say that us older musicians with a steady jobs and stable situations are more able to procure, learn and hang on to some of this expensive, complicated gear -- and develop a pretty good vision of what we wanna do with it. We may not be as free to tour or take gigs (the down side of the "ties that bind") but we're no less passionate or creative about our activities -- IMHO. But, this is a pretty diverse list. No "ageism" is really possible. Andre LaFosse is a youngish (and, as far as I know) single guy who's utter mastery of the EDP knocks my socks off every time I hear him. There are awesome women loopers of all ages. And, although there seems to be a preponderance of guitar slingers here there are drummers, DJs, wind, key and kitchen utensil players too -- plus a handful that simply play the processing sans instrument (or processing as an instrument in itself). There are goddesses, doctors, teachers, students, artists, writers, waiters, democrats, republicans, anarchists, religionists, atheists, agnostics, whatever . . . folk of every walk and stripe of life here. And, I suspect, a pretty wide spread of ages too. Folks with dark hair, grey hair, purple hair or no hair abound. This is a pretty complicated and colorful community. tEd ® kiLLiAn ArsOcarina@aol.com http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.mp3.com/Ophelia_Pancake