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You are forgeting about one issue no matter how you might try to be the last bidder it still may fail due to network and web application (eBay web interface) latency, so it still ends up being very random as to predictability of timing. Your network path to eBay could be swamped due to any number of issues including a DNS update to a router. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mail.worldserver.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: ebay sniping > and what about in the final moment of the cutoff, lets say 2 proxy bidders > jump in at the very last second with higher maximums, entirely > possible. Does the timer cut off the automatic proxy bidding system > at the official > deadline or does it let the system run to completion if both bidders > got in > before the deadline? DISCLAIMER: I didn't write the automatic proxy bidding code, so I don't know for certain... However, I'm 99% certain that it is really not an iterative process when two or more auto proxy bids "compete." Ebay explains the auto proxy bidder as if it were a real auction with the auto bidding going back and forth, but I find it highly doubtful that it truly functions that way. Say that Ebay has several auto proxy bids that it needs to resolve. It computes the maximum each proxy bid offers, then it takes the *second* highest value and permits the highest bidder to out bid it by one step. It's simpler to write and it maximizes the sale price (since the auto proxy bidding never "runs out of time"), both in the best interest of Ebay. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com