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Charles Cohen wrote: "Yanni is soooo good at this .... I just can't take my eyes off him !! ... he's soooooo into it ... why... I don't even notice that he's playing pure dreck." Come on, Charles, it doesn't have to be so black and white when discussing performance..............of course one's music has to speak the loudest..........but being interested in presentation in performance is just natural. 75% of our sensory informational input into our brain is visual. If it wasn't, people could just put on concerts where they just play CDs. The darkwave scene is notorious for live shows having a singer singing to DAT backing tracks.................talk about Yawny? No shit. lol. It is just that one of the prime criticisms that I heard (from many, many non-loopers) of the Y2K2 Loopfest (where 48 loopers performed) was that there was so much equipment watching/shoe gazing going on that it wasn't that engaging to the audience. In a way, we have an uphill performance as looping artists because what we do has the tendency to seem 'canned' to the unitiated. It can't hurt to think about one's presentation merely to get what we are doing accepted by a large audience. I'm sitting out in the audience of those shows going, "that's cool, what effect chain did that artist use to get that really unusual sound, but most audiences aren't going to have that interest and I don't think it is shallow to consider this aspect of the live performance. To me, the most engaging performances at that festival were also highly visual (all not all of them). They were also fascinating because they were so musically creative and satisfying. John Whooley and Amy X were both doing really cool music AND doing interesting things to watch.............and you should have seen me juggling beach balls............scintillating.........lol. ************************ I am looking forward to the day where our burgeoning approach to making music (using looping) will be seen as legitimate and viable, commercially in the public's eye..........not because I'm in to commercial music (if you've hear my CDs you know nothing could be further from the truth) but because this community is full of really, really creative people who have the capacity to push the boundaries of musical expression in our global culture. Wouldn't it be great if you could actually be paid to do your art in public? That's why I started this thread..........just brainstorming ways to up the level of our presentation to the world. If you've seen many live looping performances you'll know that we are not in grave danger of over commercialism or shallow attachment to presentation over music. Trust me on this observation. If you haven't seen a lot of looping performances, I would like to extend to you the invitation to come perform at the Y2K3 LOOPFEST in Santa Cruz sometime in the early fall. You can even gaze at your shoes during your performance if you come without a single harsh thought from me..........LOL yours, Rick Walker