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I liked the vortex, sold mine but sort of regret it anyway - just thought I'd mention that these footswitches work well with the vortex. They do need to be screwed onto a base (like a winebox top or your pedalbaord) but have a good feel for tep tempo and the like http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=FSW-12&type=store _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail