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Thanks Douglas I second that! I asked about it when I posted that long piece of info...a lot of work. Hopefully Kim listens.... ;-) best Italo DE ANGELIS Since Angelo did that great writeup of the Orville, why not post the info on the Looping Tools page of the LD web site? ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/