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> ..because they use unreliable mail servers I use a business quality ISP (?? thought I did anyway! - (NorthWest Link)), one that has many respectable Seattle business clients, which sure doesn't fit the profile you are painting of the ISP of a bouncing client. I think its a little more complicated than you assume. But anyway, since I started using the pop3 account I have through my site at pair.com I haven't had any trouble. So I'm fine, but it took a while to figure this one out and what to do, hence my advice to the list. ...and hey as long as I'm whining (yeh fuck you t-shirt guys right in the ear), no time like the present to throw a five spot in the jar! Just to make sure Kim knows "I'm smiling when I say that" I just did exactly that and those of you playing along at home can too. Do like I just did and drop on over to http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html and hit the "donate" link. Its fun, and you can bitch all you want if you keep dropping bucks in the pot! Bob Campbell -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bouncing (Admin query) At 09:44 AM 4/30/2003, astroblue wrote: >I've had that problem for a few years on LD, it appears that LD msgs >would be bounced back from my account now and then, and I would get >unsubbed. There are only a few people who have that problem, because they use unreliable mail servers that frequently go down or otherwise begin bouncing posts back. Or they use free mail accounts and let them exceed their disk quota all the time. >This is the only list that's ever happened on (of dozens) for me, so >dunno why. Anyway, I had to stop using my main email account for this >list. No big deal, but thought I'd mention it as others may have had >the same experience. > >For whatever reason, the LD mail program seems to be very sensitive to >bounces. If that's happening to you, you might try using a different >account if that is an option. On a medium size list like this with a fair amount of traffic, I have email addresses going bad every day. These result in hundreds of bounce messages coming back to my server every day. A standard feature of any mailing list program is to have bad addresses removed automatically after they bounce a set number of times. If that isn't done the number of bounces will keep multiplying and the server will eventually be overwhelmed and a large amount of bandwidth is wasted. This is why the list server removes them automatically after a few bounces. I use the default setting in my list software of 4 bounces. If anything, I'm inclined to make this number smaller so the list is less tolerant of bad email accounts. To me it is bizarre that the other mailing lists you are on do not do this. They must be either very small lists, or run by someone who does not care or understand about the performance degradation their servers are suffering from. Any experienced list admin will be culling bad addresses like this all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com