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Please forgive me Kim, I am very, very raw right now and in a lot of grief. My wife and I had to return to California immediately from the Swedish leg of my tour to be with my siblings and family after the passing of my mom. I'm now having some difficulty attempting to go back and rejoin the tour that I've taken so many months (with a lot of people's help) to create. I'm feeling down and a little bit panicky and resenting the hell out of this memorial day weekend (can't reach anybody official on the phone, you know). I did take personally what you said and can now see that I misinterpreted what you said because I'm feeling so vulnerable right now so please forgive my oversensitivity. It's also important to say that I guess I just get a little tired of people (and not necessarily you, Kim) constantly putting down the people who actually like to be called loopers. There is ,of course, always a constant danger of preaching to the converted of course, but the fact of the matter is thatrallying together as a community of people with common cause who are interested in promoting and learning about the thing that they love is not a bad thing. you wrote: ". But I don't see how it does much to directly promote looping outside of that realm." I actually challenge your assertion that looping festivals don't promote to people outside of the realm. I have played to literally thousands of non-loopers in the 25 some odd Looping festivals,several looping tours and dozens of solo, duo and trio gigs that I have done as a self professed Live Looping Artist. I calculated that I performed on local FM radio last year a total of over 12 hours. That went to out to thousands of 'normals' (lol) in my region and over in the South Bay (with several million people within earshot). I was interviewed in countless magazine articles and, indeed, we had a long cover article on the Metro newspaper which went out to most people in our county (100,000 population) on specifically the Live Looping Movement. I've had strong interest from both national and international electronic music magazines and currently have a 30 minute television special rotating constantly on local cable access as we speak. In my region at least I would never have been able to get 500 people to the Rio Theatre to see the 1st Bass Looping Festival if I HADN'T used that angle. All kudos to the solo bass movement but using that angle with reporters just fell flat on it's face whereas talking about the metaphor and technology that surrounded that auspicious event really excited the journalists and I think for three salient reasons: 1) It was new and they didn't know about the technology so it peaked their interest 2) They were fascinated that we were working so damned hard (and at our own expense) to play for FREE as both a gift to our community and as a way of promoting ourselves. 3) They were really intrigued that such a disparate group of stylistic musicians (even despite the fact that we all played bass.......even my sophmoric efforts) had such a strong sense of community. this last fact can't be overemphasized: We have had a really awful time with the notion of community in our culture (Northern California at least) sense the end of the 1960s and people are so hungry for it that they are fascinated (almost universally when I talk to most 'normals') by the fact that a lot of people have that feeling of inclusion. I'm not saying that everyone who uses a looper needs to feel a part of that specific community (merely defined as the people who think of themselves as live loopers). Far be it from the truth. I smile on everyone who comes to Loopers Delight (whether they smoke pot or not........LOL) and recognize everyone's need to be defined the way they want to be defined. Some people have been afraid to be pigeonholed as LOOPERS who I have worked with and I totally accept that. To those people I have said, "Don't worry, I'm justing using that handle as a marketing device.........which is true to an extent". Does it really matter that a wonderful and completely unknown in the United States musician like UK bassist Steve Lawson is known as a solo bassist or as a bass looper or as merely a looper when he is trying to become well known (as he surely deserves) in this big country? I think not. So on our last tour together, he did self professed LOOP TRIO gigs and he did Bass clinics and he played Bass Jamborees (or whatever they called that show at NAMM). The point is to promote artistry in a place where that is difficult. I say Live Looping Artist..................you say potato. It's all good. I'm saying that what is, IS!!! We have been working hard and there is some evidence that it is starting to pay off a little. I see all of your semantic points and can't really argue with many of them, Kim. The big bad world is a tough place to conquer and we're out there attempting to do that in all of our different ways as promoters, from Peter in Boston to Per in Stockholm to Hans in California to Sunao in Osaka. How can this be a bad thing? Why do people constantly get upset that we are just trying to promote a community. If you don't want to be in that community so be it. If we called ourselves the STRANGE HAT COMMUNITY and did exactly what we are trying to do I say that the world is a tiny bit better for our efforts and that we should actually be applauded. Pardon my sentiment, but my mom would have felt the same way. yours, respectfully, Rick Walker