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I seem to have found myself emerged into a very complex discussion - parts of which have already been discussed whilst I have been away from the list and I seem to have put my foot in my mouth on a number of occasions :) My point of view is this: There seems to be a closed-mindedness amongst much of the looping community and a reluctance to accept new ideas or different interpretations of what already exists. I want to be part of a community whereby I can speak my mind without having to defend myself or be looked down upon by some of the more 'established' members of the list. There are countless examples of what I am describing. My innocent sentence about smoking herbs that erupted into a full flame war. Being told that my synced stereo looping system was not a synced stereo looping system - even though I am creating stereo looped music with it. And now the heated arguments regarding live looping.... There are others from over the past year. .... so I'm giving up guys and bowing out. I discovered my version of live looping long before I found this list. I actually called it 'live loop sampling' but its the same thing. I have a lot of ideas to share, but I will find a platform whereby I can speak openly without being flamed by closed-minded arrogance or sucked into defending ideas that should not need defending. Kim - thanks for everything that you have done re: LD. I really mean that. For those of you who are interested, I am heading to the UK in a week or so to Eastbourne - and will try to break into the London/Brighton scene. If any UK loopers fancy a jam, I'm all for it :) If anyone wants to contact me offlist, my new email address is swyatt -at- solostring.com. Take care all! And keep looping! - Stuart Wyatt http://www.solostring.com