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Hi guys, Not sure why I'm going to jump in on this. I must be feeling antagonistic today :). I agree with the notion that the LD website is and should be the definitive Looping portal. That would be hard to dispute. However, I disagree that derivative sites are harmful or divisive. Humans seem to like putting systematic boxes around things in order to make big concepts easier to grasp. I'm of the general opinion that this is a bad thing, but I am content with the idea that people will do it anyways. Creating a site that takes an aspect of a greater work/genre/whatever and focuses on that, while limited, may make the whole concept more approachable for the uninitiated. In every looping concept that I have performed in or helped produce. There have been audience members who just so happened to show up. It seems once they experience the music, they get it; but lengthy, gear-headed ramblings would not have achieved the same effect. Remember that part of the music life cycle is consumption. I got some criticism a little while ago for creating a list called boston-loopers@randomsalt.com that was for New England based performers to network. The list is small and has little traffic, but that is fine. Some of the folks on the list are not on this one because the traffic is too high. In general I am a more organic guy, so I like to make human contact with people. I like to find other local loopers, make friends with them, make music with them, go to parties and shows with them, take them sailing, whatever. The point being that it is FUN to do stuff with people that you like and can easily connect with. It can also be very enriching academically. I would have trouble believing that my local pursuits could have a negative effect on the global community. If anything, they are beneficial. Thus I come back to my point (IMAGINE!!!). Derivatives cannot surpass the definitive due to the narrowness of their scope; so let people announce their other websites, mailing lists, and other activities here without prejudice. All proselytical efforts contribute to the whole, ultimately. Warm regards, Jeff