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From: "Jim Palmer" <jimp@pobox.com> <snip lots of stuff I'm going to look for> > tabla beat science - tala matrix <snip more good listening tips> > talvin singh - ok I concur Jim, it's a big Bill Laswell thing going on with the tala matrix, what a collection of drummers!! The contemporary asian and fusion scene is great, get your ears around some bhangra, www.dholfoundation.com or try the afrocelts www.afrocelts.com . Check out the master musicians of jajouka, Talvin did some work there too. There are certainly loops used in all the stuff we talk about but I don't know how much is looping? A lot will be samples I'm sure > influence is a strange thing, i don't sound like any of these. > not sure what makes something essential, but i know it when i hear it... I think musically we are a result of all things we are exposed to, I suppose essential in this case to me is something which sparked something in you or opened a new phase for you. I was an investigative child and made my first tape loop at about age 10, just a single loop within the tape cassette but routed around the fixing screws. It lasted less than a second IIRC. I was fascinated with loopability ever since but was never technologically enabled, I tried briefly in the early 80s again with congas and a guitar player's FX pedal but it failed the feedback test. I first became fully aware of potential looping utilisation, or what I suspect to be looping, in Eberhard Weber's beautiful 'Pendulum' album, that's my firestarter and then Rick Walker just needed to push on the half open door and... I'm here. I offer pendulum as a contender if it satisfies the looping tag. Paul Dha Ge Na Na Ge Na Ge Na ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg