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Loving this fight...(confusion/misunderstanding/rejection/retraction) I had to delete a bunch of LD mails without reading them, but has anyone mentioned early Caberet Voltaire, or (even more obscure) Severed Heads. These were the bands that got ME into looping back in ohhh... about '84, predominately using prerecorded tape-loops, not strictly LIVE-looping, Severed Heads did some fantastic stuff using 8track tapeloops, fading in and out different tracks to make great noise... I heard the Fripp and Eno stuff at this time too, but frankly at the time it sounded too er... adult. Check out Severed Heads "Since the Accident" and "City Slab Horror" and... Caberet Voltaire "Voice of America" and "Mix up". ...for 80's glitch Mark