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Interesting distinction, latency vs. delay. However, I haven't seen "latency" meaning "randomly variable delay" before. It would be handy to have a one word shorthand for "randomly variable delay", though. In any event (pun intended), I think the symptom *is* a fixed interval delay. I assume the Repeater's audio delay is the same whether pitch-shifting or not. Can anybody confirm this? Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com -----Original Message----- From: Nic Roozeboom [mailto:Nic_Roozeboom@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The doors of perception (was Re: Repeater latency) Since the focus has migrated to perception, let me muddy this up a bit... (a little late in the discussion, pun hardly avoided) In my understanding, one only refers to latency when it involves a time interval during which there is uncertainty. In case of the Repeater's audio path, I'm quite sure it's simply delay, not latency. A fixed time (however small) during which an audio event at the input propagates to the output. As acknowledged by the translation, made in an earlier post, into distance (by way of sound wavelength). Delay can be compensated for (e.g. start earlier, mentally perceive as something a bit farther away) - latency cannot. For example, the Repeater's latency for the Start button may result in delayed action, between zero and something, depending on how often its operating system polls the state of its buttons. True? But carry on, anyway Nic