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-----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] > Will try different latency immulations with a delay unit > later today to try the difference between 0, 4ms and 11ms etc. > Andreas Willers Interesting! Please post your findings :-) I've always been curious about the human perception of timing. What is the smallest delay you can perceive? From layering multiple percussive sounds on the computer I know that extremely small delays have a great musical impact on how we perceive the "colour" or "shape" of the sound. Seems like the brain has a kind of mechanism that analyses the attack and then files it down into a category like "sharp hit", "soft hit", "ummphy hit" or whatever. And what happens then is that, depending on that initial attack, you percieve the rest of the sound a certain way. Like there was some "Altivec" or "SSE2" function built into the brain ;-) However I missed the working live musician perspective in your post regarding RPT latency. I've been touring as a hired musician for periods and one thing you discover under such conditions is how quickly you actually adapt to a different "latency" situation. Here I'm talking about the acoustics of small vs huge stages and different positioning of live monitoring systems. After much live playing I really did not like to play with headphones in the studio because there was "no latency" - i.e. me being used to play three meters away from my guitar amp and five meters away from the drummer. I also think this confusion with timing and latency is more common among guitar players since we rely on loud amplification which is in essence a great part of "the instrument". When out gigging as a saxophonist I never even think about these matters. Either the monitoring system is good and I get my own floor speaker or we play so soft that I can hear my sax rather well acoustically. BTW I too had that horrible feeling when plugging into the Repeater for the fist time. But again, this latency is easily fixed by "direct mute" and putting the RPT in a send loop. Best wishes Per Boysen ---> www.boysen.se ---> www.looproom.com Next gig: 28 July, Stockholm Jazz Festival 05 Aug 13.00, Umeå, Noliamässan