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And without an expression pedal, the only way to turn the pre echo on or off is to manually turn the echo's volume up or down. I don't know if the expression pedal works in loop mode. Anyone? LeonD > Well, if I read it right, the pre-delay of up to 800 ms will allow for a > delay of your dry signal BEFORE it is received by the delay. I don't > believe you have access to it other than as a pre-delay. Other > time-based effects have this feature and all of them work this way. > > It does seem a bit confusing. I've never had use for it on the DL4, so > I'm not completely sure if it functions this way. Try it!