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Hey everybody, I get a little concerned when I here of people wanting to unsubscribe from this list whenever anger or fights erupt. These outbursts of negativity hurt me too, but there are several things we can do about it. Remember that you can filter out specific posters in your e-mail browser. If there is a particular person who gets your goat all the time...............just filter him/her out. we do this in real life.................we just avoid people who are negative or hurtful by not inviting them to our homes or parties.................. Instead of unscubscribing (because this list really is imperfect, just like any community of human beings anywhere)..................please remember that you lessen the community by refusing to pariticipate. the people who thrive on dissension, arguments, fighting, provocation and put downs of other artists really win that way. The other thing to remember is that when we are attacked, we do have to look at what we are doing. I've really had to reevaluate how much work I've put into the live looping scene because people have attacked me for my work. I feel at peace with what I"m doing and have pledged to myself to be a little more aware of people's egos because of the criticism............It's helped me, I think. We are a community.......................let's stay committed to being one, warts and all. yours, Rick ps Oh yeah, and why doesn't everyone who's really upset by all this write a really great and angry looping piece this week and put it on their next record. When I was in London for my first show, the band that I was opening for was really rude to me and didn't want to move their equipment; both of my main loopers suddenly started having problems, the venue producer was really spacey and not really helpful and I got really, really tweaked out and angry about all of it. At one point, I said to my wife, "I've never cancelled a show before because of my emotions, but I"m so angry that I"m not even sure if I should go on or not." She said, "why don't you perform angrily?" That stopped me in my tracks............lol..................I went out and did as angry a performance as I've ever done (and I used to play punk music back in the day when I was really an angry young man). I just raged at the audience (lol, in an instrumental way), Well, it fucking blew my mind: the audience LOVE IT!!!!! It was one of my better shows, I think. I think , in retrospect, that all audiences respect authenticity more than anything. To watch an incredibly repressed new age ambient musician playing softly and soothingly can make me want to jump out of my skin. By the same token, to see a rough and tough, angry industrial noise artist unable to ever express anything soft is also really unnerving and unsatisfying. just my two cents