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> > what is the going rate for a "live looping" tm. coffee house gig (2-3 sets) ? I think this all comes down to the kind of music you're creating with the looper. If it's accessable songlike material, you're in the same ballpark as any solo singer/guitarist. If it pushes the limits of genre or becomes genre-less, you're at the mercy of the masses (and more obviously tightrope-walking on the kindness of strangers). Personally, I've been "out of the 'live gig' loop" for a couple of years, working on other stuff, but I'm going back into the fire in a few months. When I play "legit" gigs, I'm bringing years of experience with me and won't gig for less than about $200, locally. But when I unleash my electronica-chill-waves'o'swirl-Stockhousin' loop-based stuff on the world, I fully expect to play only for tips for a few months until (and IF) I develop some kind of crowd. When a fair number of people show up to be in your space when you conduit the Muse, you can charge money to the spaceowner for that commodity. Nay say pa? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net