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Hi again thanks to Geoff,Jesse and Andy for your replys thus-far (note paticularly to geoff, sorry this isnt a separate private email but time is at a premium) I am going home tonight and I will try to do the re-seating of the chips, I have done similar opperations on my laptop when that was shipped to me so it was the first thing i thought of two but felt the need for a little qualification from others before I went ahead. I'll be back on monday to report further. Oh and in answer to er..........jesse.......ithink, a simple turn off/on of power seems to clear the problem for a few uses.........strange!!! Phill _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess