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Louie Angulo wrote: Hey Gary are you using the lake buttler by any chance? can you scroll through loops back and forth with it? cheers Louie ------>Hey Louie--I am using the PMC-10, a very similar unit no longer made by Digitech. I had a Lake Butler Mitigator and sold it to a deserving soul on this list about 8 months ago. Both units can send the full spectrum of MIDI information, so they can call up any loop at any time (as well as almost anything in the MIDI spec) but I like the PMC better because it has 9 patches per bank instead of 5, 500 patches possible, 100 banks, and 5 sets instead of 3, as well as supporting 2 CC pedals instead of 1--also Digitech is still in business and services the unit, whereas Emmett Bradford, the Lake Butler guy, no longer wants to support his products. The Behringer sound like a great bang for the buck, but I am glad I don't have to try to program that one--also, the PMC has a software editor for the PC written by list member Sean Echevarria that makes using the PMC a theta wave generating experience (satori anyone?) . . . Gary