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Jesse Ray Lucas wrote... "Once you can define it and put it in a box, then it's dead. Take it to academia and be done with it. Wait for the next wave of innovation to happen and then box it up and take it to academia, too." ....in response to the recent polls about what looping gear loopers use and I can surely resonate with his fears about the dangers of definitions and boxes. All of my adult life I've been associated with musical pursuits that were either brand new and, hence, have no categories at the record store, let alone academia or were stylistically marginalize with the same results. I've felt that sting of being hemmed in by intellectual boxes and felt the sting of closed minds that prevented me from reaching people that I knew would like what I was doing. At the same time, I've also been very self conciously in a mode of trying to promote live looping with a lot of my work and I wanted to say a couple of things about where I'm coming from to perhaps allay the fears of people who are wary of that approach in this community: One of the things that I"ve noticed is that when communities become bigger that they incorporate much more diversity. Even with everyone on this list, we are a pretty small community. I think it would be great for our community if it expanded it's numbers............more creativity, more knowledge, more diversity. One of the things that I have loved so far about the big festivals that we have had so far is that I have never encountered a group of musicians (in the dozen or so musical communities that I"ve actively been part of in my life) that are so non-judgemental about each other and accepting and supporting of each person's attempts to be uniquely creative with there use of the looping machines. Their behaviour completely belies the "put things in a box to reduce them" mentality. If anything, the reverse is true. I believe that the Y2K3 loopers really celebrated differences and had no desires to pin people down either with style or with hardware. This year it was stunning and very gratifying to me that Wayne Jackson made his own proprietary software to loop his circuit bent toy instruments and that Joe Balestrini came up with a novel way to use Ableton's Live in realtime performance for his multi-instrumentalism................that John Whooley had two DL-4 set up like holsters on his side like some zen looping clown cowboy , using only his mouth as an intrument as he went out on a long chord into the audience wowing people with his really idiosyncratic musical vision........ There was just a tremendous amount of stylistic and musical diversity and an incredibly large number of different looping devices and strategies being employed. It was exhilirating for me to watch and be part of it and I only wish that you could have participated here yourself. To me, Jesse, knowledge is a positive thing and knowing about who we are gives us clues to what potential we can have and where we can go. That's my intention in asking these questions. I have never intended to reduce us by categorizing us, but rather to expand all of our minds to who we are in the strong hopes that we will all expand to what we can become. Mine is an additive intention and never a subractive intention. I trust that you can respect that sentiment. yours, respectfully, rick walker