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In a message dated 11/18/03 11:56:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, relaydelayband@earthlink.net writes: I am starting to consider a different approach yes gary.....please go on.....:)m ------->Well, ya know . . . most folks like songs, with words they can relate to--but in my solitude, I pretty much just make crap up, like most of the rest of you--certainly not doo doo as fully realized as say Claude Voit or Andre LaFosse or perhaps Mark Sotillaro, but spontaneous shit nonetheless. So this weekend at the craft festival in Vegas, when I did my loop presentation I noodled jes' like in private--I did play Frere Jacques to demonstarte the concepts, as well as the first cut from Claude's solo album, that six note guitar knuckle buster, and Sweet Georgia Brown, but I did not sing--and no harmonica while I record a rhythm track (hey, I do recommend that for you acoustic guitar guys tho, most of whom probably already use this trick with vocals). In other words, I trusted my audience more. And that's different than the one man band I have worked out with the Ztar, a tone module and a drum module and two EDPs that emulates a band. Scuse me while I put the caps on-- THAT'S WHAT THE SEQUENCES ARE FOR! OK, caps off--but my point is, if the audience wants me to "put a record on", any impromptu delay generated performance is less appropriate . . . not that "covers" are not for loopers, just that the DJ/karaoke crowd places greatest value on the most faithful reproduction. Ultimately any artist must be true to themselves, and live loop based music is intrinsically truthful (hey, let's start a thread about that). I guess that would be the different approach--letting go of any expectations of audience comprehensibility. So I will still generate drums and bass and play guitar with the Ztar setup--but I will probably not try to cover Sweet Home Alabama or On The Road Again--it does no good and it annoys the pig. Gary