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whoever cares to reply. you consider your loop work: 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic 2 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (atonal, but rhythmic) 4 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal i'm just curious. i do both. right now i'm mainly working with some pretty freaky vocal stuff. a "1" from above. however, i have done lots of guitar and bouzouki work that was very "musical" or "song oriented". i'm sure this question has been brought up before, but the list changes all of the time. also: why do you do what you do and what do you think of the other side of the coin? lance