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> > ---"Greg House" <ghunicycle@yahoo.com> wrote: > > whoever cares to reply. you consider your loop work: > > > > 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic > > 2 > > 3 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (tonal, but > > arrhythmic) > > 4 > > 5 song oriented, rhythmic, tonal > The problem is that there's a LOT of space between 3 and 5. Things that are > harmonic and rhythemic, and yet, not "song oriented". Most of my looping fits > somewhere in there. I don't plan out songs, it's freely improvised, yet, it's not > atonal, and it generally develops a rhythm, but it never ends up sounding like a > pop song, ABABCAB, or whatever. > > Greg > i see your point. i think that i skewed the scale towards "ambient" due to accidental prejudices based on my own use of loop tools. what i consider my "tonal" and "rhythmic" work is similar to what you described. i guess that i would consider anything with identifiable (if shifting) meters and harmonic structures "musical" in nature. "song oriented" perhaps was a weak descriptive term. or, i suppose, it is possible that i hadn't really considered how "song oriented" loopers could get. these tools seem to suggest improvisation to me. however, they could be used in a completely arraigned set. so, how about this: 1 totally ambient, atonal, arrhythmic 2 a little of both, some of both (rhythmic, but atonal) (tonal, but arrhythmic) 3 freely improvised, but primarily tonal and rhythmic 4 arraigned to the note or bar and/or could be transcribed using traditional musical notation lance