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You guys need to get over it. Calling an action list abuse isn't really a personal attack on the person - it's not even a hostile response to a gentle request. It is what it is. What I am doing right now is considered List Abuse - it's off topic and really does nothing for the list. The guy already apologized. Why are you guys making something new out of this? Go fucking loop something and then come back here and tell me all about it :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free) In anycase, who is this 'we' you are elected to speak for? ;-p personally, I don't care if someone is informed or not... it's ok to be wrong.. it ok to express ones opinion and have it differ from everyone elses... it called 'dialog'... and while I while I agree with Emile's basic idea that the responses to the original poster could have been more gentle, I disagree that a non-gentle post should be responded to in a non-gentle way. Why escalate a heated dialog more? Why not try and bring it back down to a place where people can communicate, instead of fight? Anyway, this is just my opinon.. it's not meant to tell anyone how to be, just tossing out a different perspective in hopes that we might try and all be on the same side... :) peace -cpr p.s. since my perspectives have previously been catagorized under 'apathetic', I thought I'd toss in something I read recently that does a better job at saying what I am trying to say: "Through active self-discipline, and not meekness as is commonly misunderstood, we can transform anger through compassion and to be reconciled with ourselves and others." >-- Original Message -- >From: "Nic Roozeboom" <nic_roozeboom@msn.com> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free) >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:25:04 -0800 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting > >>that the poster would have been better to ask users to direct their >>responses off-list). >> >>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) >deserves > >>a less gentle response. > >In any case, we'd like responses to be informed. Otherwise, best to >refrain > >from comment. >Nic > > >>From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" <emile@foryourhead.com> >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: No Good deed ... was Re:List abuse? (was...Completely Free) >>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0500 >> >>A gentle post (offering a free CD) deserves a gentle response (suggesting > >>that the poster would have been better to ask users to direct their >>responses off-list). >> >>An un-gentle post (calling the person who offered the CD abusive) >deserves > >>a less gentle response. >> >> >> >>At 12:23 PM -0800 11/21/03, Nic Roozeboom wrote: >>>Emile Tobenfeld wrote: >>>>and what would have been wrong with a gentle email suggesting this >>>>instead of throwing terms like list abuse around? >>> >>>Please explain how your posting is better. Is it gentler, and does it >>>avoid throwing terms like 'bureaucrat' around? >>> >>>> >>>>This sounds like another case of "No good deed goes unpunished.", which > >>>>is an attitude I prefer to associate with bureaucrats than with >>>>experimental musicians. >>> >>>Perhaps your analysis is flawed: >>>(quoted from the original posting): >>>1. "I'm giving ten copies away free ... >>>2. "... to the next ten people that email the list and write, "send me >Zen >>>Engine!" Please do not email my personal address, just the Looper's >>>Delight list." >>> >>>No-one had any concerns with the first (the 'good deed'). The objections > >>>were aimed at the second, and rightfully so. Do you have any suggestions > >>>for a non-offensive, politically correct synonym for "list abuse"? >>> >>>In this light, would you care to reformulate your previous posting, this > >>>time avoiding careless public insults? >>> >>>Oh.. I can't speak for Rick, but I think I might prefer your reply >>>on-list. >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Nic >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? 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