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I suppose because I posted first that it is natural that people should respond to things I said but I really wanted to let everyone know that I honestly started this thread without a personal agenda (nor was I trying to secretly influence any individuals' future performances). Like everyone, I have my own takes on things that work or don't work (for me personally, only) but I'm truly interested in ideas and philosophies that are different than mine. I'm really interested, basically, in what people like and don't like about these shows and I'm interested in discovering if there is any kind of loose consensus about where to take them in the future. I haven't always agreed, personally, but I've really enjoyed reading Andre and Per and Matt and Max and Ted and Mark's and everyone else's individual take on the questions that I proposed. Stan Card truly does not believe in recording anything. He informed me of this when I went into my obnoxious cheerleader mode and exhorted him to record a CD of his surf and surf influence music to have for sale for next year's big show. That puts Stan on the exact opposie end of the spectrum from me who is a recording fanatic. I just love that our community can incorporate two people with such divergent approaches and goals for their music. I agree with Matt that this year's festival was really diverse and fascinating and it is why I'm proud to be in this so called 'movement'. **************************************** Whether you favor longer or shorter sets,short songs or long song, drum machines or no drum machines, cheap theatrics of relatively static visual performances the theme I keep seeing mentioned in this thread so far is the 'authenticity' theme. I couldn't concur more. I can watch a shoegazer play a 25 minute piece (apologies to Per.........lol) if that person is really deeply into what they are doing, so, yes, Ted, there can be a spiritual aspect to a successful performance and frequently, for me, those are the one's that I connect with the most. I celebrate diversity and have always tried to be as inclusive as possible with the events that I've produce. I just want to go on record again and reiterate that. thanks for all the replys, rick