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I'd like to chime in and agree on using not only relatively minimal patterns, but also on the point about combining drum sounds to create a single sound. In the PSA I was recently involved in, for the drum programming, I combined two or three kick drums to make a single kick, and three snares for the chunkiest, most totally bitchin' snare sound! woohoo! It way rocked! Anyway, excellent points, and to add a couple of my own, in changing from pattern to pattern, if Rick hasn't already brought this up, I personally like to work within the realm of subtlety, making slight, more simple changes, which can flow better in my opinion. <smile> Of course, I also do appreciate and like completely over-the-top pattern switches as well, but as a rule, I really like subtlety in patterns. The other thing I like is dynamics. -or simply taking that idea to the extreme and removing the rhythm track altogether, and then bringing it back either abruptly or gradually. -Just the idea of dropping the rhythm out altogether and then bringing it back, really stands out to me, and can in my opinion, really spice up a section of a piece. -just my thoughts... Happy Holidays All!... Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 12.15.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe