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When approaching something as complex and variable as microtonal music, it helps to have a simple place to start from. The EMU line of sound modules does provide good user definable tuning tables IF you know what you're looking for. Kurzweil provides a different kind of tuning table, a bit easier to get around on, though octaves are automatically set to be in tune with each other. Problem with most microtonal ramblings is that it either requires a lot of background knowledge, or a curiosity coupled with naivite. There are thousands of texts available for the former, including a couple of highly disfunctional Yahoo tuning groups. For the latter, I find that a ribbon controller on a Kurzweil keyboard set to "absolute" (meaning that when you set the ribbon to change pitch +/- octave and you touch the far right side, the pitch will immediately jump up an octave) provides a very intuitive "way in" for anyone interested in exploring this world. Subtle microtonal shadings similar to a pitch wheel or more radical searches for meaningful intervals become available. Setting up a drone on one channel while playing with the ribbon on another channel is a very educational and useful place to start. I've mapped out my ribbon controller by marking up a piece of tape to show the various ratios (up to the 11 limit). I get pretty precise control of pitches this way and all I have to do is use some care when touching the ribbon. Kurzweil also makes (or used to make) the same ribbon controller that plugs into a brain that sends MIDI information to anything. Different PC and CC changes can be sent as well as initial entrance and exit values. Additionally, it sends as one long zone or splits into three smaller zones, each zone sending different information. Hooked up with the Repeater, this MIDI info can be applied to pitch, tempo, slip, volume, pan, or any of the MIDI programmable functions. I think it was called the "RibbonMate" or something. I used to have one but got rid of it when I bought a keyboard that had its own ribbon controller. Sounds like it would be great for doing what many people on this list are wanting to do... Stephen Duncan wrote: <<<<I've tried experimenting with different scales- the emu modules are particularly well-equipped for this kind of adventure- but I can't get past the fact that, to me anyway, it just sounds horrible. I don't play music because I like the maths, I play music because I like the noise. for me, there are twelve notes and you can only use certain combinations of them together at one time. usually about seven of the twelve. somethimes the same notes sound a bit different, e.g. if you have a guitar and a trumpet playing together. even single notes that are in tune have all these clashing harmonics that make it sound out of tune. I know the physics, but I'm trying to keep this simple. anyway, that's about as much dissonance as I can tolerate unless it's actually one's intention to make an awful noise, like with a ring modulator or a dx7, say..... I'll get me coat again. duncan. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html