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Fellow Looping Brethren, after years of experimenting with different setups in different musical landscapes, I'm once again on a quest for the perfect rig. More precisely, I'm searching for another (the last) effect processor for what will inherit the function of my former "big rig" (which has already been partially disassembled in favour of a better small one). The short version: I need an effects processor, rackmount, 1 to 2 HU, which does everything the TC FireworX, D2 and Triple-C and perhaps another cheap effector from my collection does not do. I reflected on the following possibilities: Eventide Eclipse Eventide Eclipse plus Kurzweil Mangler Kurzweil KSP8 The long version: Currently, my rig consists of the following sound sources and processing parts: Behringer MX2642A console w/ PE2200 patchbay Electrix Repeater TC Electronics FireworX TC Electronics D Two TC Electronics Triple-C Digitech StudioQuad (the old version) Zoom 1201 ...of which I'm going to kick the StudioQuad and Korg KP2 Kaoss Pad Roland V-Bass Waldorf Q Clavia MicroModular Yamaha SY85 Behringer FCB1010 Line6 DL4 mikes for vocals (more for effects), saxophones and sometimes trombone I'm playing both solo improvised experimental looping stuff (for which I like both crazy effects and surreal reverbs and lengthy delays), and work with my improvisational band. So, from this standpoint, it's important that the effector performs well in a not-pre-arranged live setting. There are a few things I'd like to see: * supercool pitch shifters with user-definable scales * weird surreal reverbs * strange stuff And massive flexibility when generating my own programs (re: many parameters, cool routing possibilities, modifier matrix etc.) >From what I see in the market, it comes down to either the Eclipse or the KSP8. Which one is better? Is there any alternative? Any input will be appreciated! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de Clean Trippin' - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de