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I'll check these out too. Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: mjnoble [mailto:not8ohm@iinet.net.au] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: visualizations hi, I haven't used them in a while, but giessworks (www.geissworks.com) produce both the geiss and drempels desktops/screensavers which respond to line in. They also work as winamp plugins as far as I know. The site seems to be down at the moment, but it's worth a look, as both these visualisations are highly configurable. Drempels in particular is lots of fun if you give it some time as you can load in your own texture images to make excellent 'breathing' walls of psychedelic bliss (not in the cliched kind of fractal trip either). Very organic. omjn