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I use a VG8, upgraded to EX. If you want an alternate tuning machine, you really should try the VG8. One can't judge its ability to model an acoustic just by listening to a sample online; to get the real idea, you'd have to try out some good patches (look on vg-8.com) for acoustic sounds, or learn to tweak your own. I haven't played the Variax much but I'm satisfied from researching it that the set-up I've got is the best currently available. By the way, I don't think any mechanical solutions make up for the damage you do to the guitar's neck by constantly putting it into weird tunings. And I say this as someone who almost never uses standard. I play in 61 tunings and the VG8 lets me dial up any tuning I want, now that I've got them all programmed. It just takes time and effort to learn to play the VG8; it's not as easy as turning pegs, until you've got things set up to your liking--then it's easier. I will occasionally switch off, just to get the exact feel and tone of an acoustic, but for the most part, VG8 is best for I what do. I don't know what kind of music you make, but if I were you I'd find a way to try out an old VG8--not the VG88--with some good acoustic patches on it. You might be surprised. Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Acoustic guitars modeling > Thats correct the klein is not a modeler and has > automatic motors which tune the string to the > preprogramed pitch, althoug with all that mechanism > insde i am also suspect of its sound.It also has the > soundhole below which will with no doubt alter the > typical acoustic sound. > cheers > L.a > > > --- Daryl <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote: > > > > The Klein doesn't seem to be a modeler, unless I'm > > misunderstanding > > something...it seems to have motors for adjusting > > tunings. I think > > that's a fantastic evolution, hopefully someday > > it'll be affordable. > > The Line6 appears to be the worst idea I've ever > > heard of - short of the > > tuning function, which is interesting but a little > > suspect, if my > > experience with intelligent harmonizers and chords > > is any indication. > > But ramming a genuine steel-string guitar through EQ > > is supposed to make > > it sound (or feel) like a nylon-string? please. > > > > Daryl Shawn > > highhorse@mhorse.com > > > > > > >i keep dreaming that someday there will be a system > > >that will make my life easier on stage playing in > > open > > >tunnings,but i see its starting to happen!I am > > quite > > >impressed by this product of line6 has anyone tried > > >one yet? i would appreciate your comments! > > > > > >http://www.line6.com/VariaxAcoustic/intro.html > > > > > >this is probably better if you have the money! > > > > > >http://www.kleinguitars.com/transperformance.htm > > >cheers > > >L.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ >