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>> What did you 'replace' your Line 6 stuff with? << Ok, I had the four basic Line 6 modellers, Delay, Distortion, Filter, and Modulation. Mind you, all this was to process my acoustic steel string with piezo pickup, so my perspective may not match the next persons... I picked them all up on eBay with the knowledge that I could get a similar price back on them (which turned out to be true). I basically got to play with all this gear for a year or two until I learned more about what I really wanted. The distortion modeller was the weakest of the bunch. I have never played electric so I don't have the same starting point as most of the rest of you. I *can* say that my acoustic guitar sounded very very sterile through any and all of the modelled distortions. Next, the filter modeller was either too crazy or not crazy enough. What I was able to get out of it didn't feel very musical. Again, it sounded sterile. More useful was the delay modeller. Most of the delays themselves again had a bit of that sterile sound, though not anywhere near as much as the previous two. I mostly got it for the looping functions. A coupla things killed it for me... the short loop time, the lack of fidelity, the *feel* and sound of the expression pedal morphing between two different settings... again, it lacked life. The one that I enjoyed the most was the modulation modeller. Perhaps because I was playing acoustic, it really helped formulate a tone for me. I never really cared for what the expression pedal did for any of the boxes, mostly because (as I said in an earlier post) they didn't feel like electronics, rather they felt like software manipulation. It's just a feeling... and we all gotta rely on our feelings or we ain't musicians now is we? :) I used these four boxes as my learning curve to understand a little better what was out there and what I might want to explore. I used the Looper's Delight list quite a bit for recomendations. At one point I had all four Line 6 modellers chained together in series. Something about this setup didn't seem to work very well, not quite sure what. I called the Line 6 people and they were amazed that I was using all 4 at once. They suggested a few different orders of the units and vaguely implied that all should work okay. I'm not sure if that's true, as they seem to accept a guitar signal at the input and put out line level at the output. I was told that I could plug my keyboard into them as well, though with real electronics, there are a few problems with the difference between guitar level and keyboard level. Stacking them all up together gave me actually less control over my sound than using them individually. I don't really know anything about the science in all this, just that 4 at a time didn't seem to me to be the way to go. The DL-4 was replaced by a Repeater for the looper functions (no comparison) and a Hughes & Kettner Replex for the delay functions. The H&K has done more for my tone than any other single module and I'll never plug in again without it. It has a tube as well as digital reverb, and digital single and dual head tape delay emulations. Mostly I use it for the tube sound and a slight bit of reverb. It makes the driest, tinniest guitar sound warm and buttery. I got it for about $375. Well worth it. The MM-4 was replaced by a T.C.Electronic Stereo Chorus Flanger pedal, wow what a sound. For about the same price as the Line 6, you get three sounds instead of sixteen. And since all three sounds are about 5 times better, it's a good value for the money. Mono in, mono or stereo out. I also have the Electrix Mo-FX on my mixer aux send so I can use the delay, tremolo, and flanger in the FX loop. The closest thing to the FM-4 is my Boss PS-5, a multi-function pitch shifter that I wrote about here a few weeks ago. Close only because it can do wild and crazy sounds and so can the FM-4. Like the Line 6 units, this one can also receive an expression pedal for pitch shifting on the fly. I also use the Electrix Filter Factory in the FX send of my mixer like the Mo-FX above. One of these days I'm gonna try out the Sherman Filterbank... The DM-4 was replaced by a number of distortion units, the Hughes & Kettner Tube Factor, the DOD FX91 Bass Overdrive, the DOD FX69 Grunge, as well as the Boss GE-7 (7 band EQ). Of these, I'm happiest with the FX69 Grunge and GE-7 combo (again, this is for acoustic). The H&K is truly awesome sounding though I think it would work better on an electric. And the Bass Overdrive is meant for a Bass guitar though I just wanted to try it for kicks. I liked reading about everybody's favorite Fuzz box recently as this gives me even more ideas. Anyway, I found out that EQ is a pretty powerful tool if used after distortion. You can make most any kind of distortion behave the way you want it to with the right application of cut or boost. I am selling 3 of these distortion boxes if anyone here wants to own them for a while. The Grunge is selling for $35 + $5 shipping (I bought two of them on eBay by mistake), the Bass Overdrive is also $35 + $5, and the H&K Tube Factor is going for $175 + $15 and comes with power supply and two extra tubes with different specs so you can play with the sound of various tubes by changing them out. These are comparable prices as found on eBay, they all are in immaculate condition and they come with my personal guarantee of joy and wonderment for several days if not weeks or years. :) Please reply offlist if you're interested in a purchase. Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/