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ok... to clarify this, yes - i'm not using the jacks for signal in or out, i'm using the xlrs. the jacks are being used as the feedback loop. repeats is set to zero (otherwise it doesn't work), the mix is set to loop. i got here because i realised that this is a "true stereo" processor - the left and right are, essentially, independent delays even when using as a mono effect. rather stupid, really. unless you can get it to go ping and pong. the feedback is NOT as stable as using the repeats control. an, perhaps, the tone is different. if it really can't be done "properly" inside the machine, i would think about adding my own repeats control, taking the signal through a gentle op-amp stage to raise the level and improve the s/n ratio. n ------- Original message ------- From: the toy room <thetoyroom@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:55:50 -0700 Subject: RE: Echo Pro - technical ping-pong >however, by patching (using the jack sockets) the left o/p into the right i/p and the right o/p into the left i/p... and then feeding the unit from an xlr i/p I can get a ping-pong delay from ALL of the delay models; repeats then being controlled with the output level control. (i was sooooo pleased with this:-) ) ok...this setup sounds wild, and I'm willing to give it a whirl for shits and giggles. Let me get this straight. XLR input to Echo Pro. Left o/p to right i/p (1/4" jacks). Right o/p into left i/p. How is the audio coming out? Via the XLR output? If the repeats are controlled with the output level control, what do you have the 'repeats' and 'mix' knob doing? Do they come into play at all? How is the 'mix' setting programmed? Does it come into play? Is it set to global, program, or loop? Thanks in advance, Rich www.asopaque.com SIZE does matter - The UK's biggest *Free* Web based mail - 10 MB Free mail.lycos.co.uk