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First I want to say that you're totally right and I apologize. In my haste at getting a new piece of gear ready before a gig, I admit I didn't go very deep into each effect. I thought I had a patch set up with the hold delay that did what I was talking about... but it was *not* the hold delay effect. It was one of the other delay effects that do sound like the PDS-8000 when you sweep the time. What's more of a bummer is that for some reason you can only assign a tap tempo to the hold delay and you can't even control the delay time with one of the pedals. On Jun 18, 2004, at 9:12 PM, the toy room wrote: > I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold > delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000. As for the sheer > mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on > it a bit more. I didn't have the manual as well. I was able to get it > into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more > material over the top without it going into the delay line. Perhaps > Mark would confirm whether this is possible. This you can do for sure. I've got a patch set up where one of the expression pedals controls how much signal you're putting in the delay line. Toe up, 100%. Heel down 0%. > > As for the 'time' adjustment. This was where I was most disappointed. > The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally > digital, > glitchy and useless sounding... Actually, though disappointed, I kind of dig that for weird noisy stuff. > The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest, > as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man. So, again I say I'm sorry for the hasty post. While the Tonelab does have some cool delay models, the 8 sec looper, while still cool, doesn't behave like a bunch of it's other delays. How about the Hughs and Kettner Replex? I hear great things about that one. Mark