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...And is not only the coffee but the whole atmosphere, intimacy and style of the coffee locations what makes it special (something starbucks doesn´t have.)Besides,why trade a nice cup of coffee served in a nice ceramic cup for an overpriced carton or sterofoam big gulp! but speaking of live music in small cafés;another factor that is sadly affecting the hiring of musicians in small venues here in europe is the copyright fee bar owners are obligated to pay.In Germany you are as a bar owner obligated to give the musician a form to fill out with a list of the titles of the pieces you have performed and its respective composer/songwriter name.This royalites are suppose to go to the musicians off course.As a songwriter it seems very attractive since you get a piece of it but bar owners won´t hire you to avoid the fee if you demand a list.Most of them do it under the able but recently die GEMA(equivalent of ASCAP BMI)has been cracking bar owners and hitting them hard with overdue bills! L.a --- Don Makoviney <dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com> wrote: > That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop > gives a damn. That > sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee > shop's part. > > Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops > (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle's > Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no > problem. While a shop like > Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil > as part of their > marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with > making a buck selling > coffee because they are passionate about their > coffee. > > Passion sells in anything you do. You all should > know this as musicians. If > you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be > passionate about it. If > you are, even in the event of a tie between > Starbucks and the mom and pop, > most customers will spend the money in their > hometown store. > > DM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! > > At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? > > For me the main thing is their predatory business > practice of opening > stores in the immediate vicinity of established > neighborhood coffee > shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with > stores to the point > where each one has reduced profitability, but the > company itself > still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of > "starving out" > the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the > customers. > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo